For centuries a woman's sensuality has been repressed, and it's still is...
I was always impressed with the insight Marquis gave on the psychology of a female...
He thought that a woman is more sensual naturally, and she is more sensitive in mind as well. Woman's "appetites" are far greater than that of a man's and she can achieve more imaginative schemes in the art of love...
but my point is - that a proof of this words is the fact that 90% of the people who joined this tribe are females.
Deep inside - women always have a longing for a deeper sensuality, a sensuality without borders.
I am very pleased with the sight of so many "Sade hungry" girls out there.
Be free!
I was always impressed with the insight Marquis gave on the psychology of a female...
He thought that a woman is more sensual naturally, and she is more sensitive in mind as well. Woman's "appetites" are far greater than that of a man's and she can achieve more imaginative schemes in the art of love...
but my point is - that a proof of this words is the fact that 90% of the people who joined this tribe are females.
Deep inside - women always have a longing for a deeper sensuality, a sensuality without borders.
I am very pleased with the sight of so many "Sade hungry" girls out there.
Be free!
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Re: Women and Sade
Sat, January 31, 2004 - 11:38 PMI have always been very aware of my sensuality as well as my sexuality from avery early age, even while I was still a virgin.I knew what would or did turn me on even then as well. Problem was none of the men that I had been with could accept it or knew how to deal with it. If a woman doesn't have a receptive partner, then she's pretty much damned. It's very frustrating to know what you want but to be around a clueless partner. you sound as though you are a receptive and intuitive male and can recognize this in a woman.
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Re: Women and Sade
Sun, February 1, 2004 - 2:49 PMAnother point of view: what came to my mind initially is the thought that men are much more repressed. Sade has no sexual bountries. A man would have to be secure in his sexuality(straight or gay)to appreciate Sade. For instance, straight men don't like seeing or reading about sexual acts between two men. My thoughts, because they become aroused and think they are gay. I believe naturally we are all like Sade with no boundires but we create boundries according to factors in our lives; the way we are raised and what is acceptable in society, etc. An author could write hundreds of male/female, female/female interludes in a story but if they put one male on male bit in the story a reader may never read that author again. I wrote in brackets above "straight or gay" because they are exclusive in their sexuality. I'd like to see more "Sade hungry" men out there and I say to them, be free too! -
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Re: Women and Sade
Sun, February 1, 2004 - 2:51 PMSorry, I typed too fast and forgot to spell check. -
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Re: Women and Sade
Sun, February 1, 2004 - 3:56 PMSuzen...bad girl. Bend over!
I think that women have had their sexuality suppresed. But females also have this motherly imprint. And to be a voracious sexual being is contrary. But be FREE!
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Re: Women and Sade
Mon, May 17, 2004 - 8:09 AM"But females also have this motherly imprint. And to be a voracious sexual being is contrary."
I would have to disagree here. I think society tells women that because they are motherly, they should/can not be a voracious sexual being. In my opinion that is like saying because women have this motherly imprint they do not make good career people.
Being a mother has no more to do with your sexual appetite than being a father does.
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Re: Women and Sade
Sun, February 1, 2004 - 6:58 PMSuzen - I can understand why you say what you say...but in some way it sounds too simplistic.
There is no doubt in my mind, that any educated and intelligent person, be it male or female, would have no problems reading about sexual escapades between any sort of "creatures", especially if it's in a world-class literature.
It have nothing to with the reader's sexual preferences.
Sade is beyond a simple "gay or straight" formula.
I think it's more like a "slave or a free person" in life -
is a message from De Sade.
And again...as a being - women are more sensual, and sensually malicious, but most are "sleepers"....that means...they never realized their potentials fully, or not even knew it existed, some just keep it down.
Our society does not accept a full personal freedom, as described in the stories of De Sade.
Unfortunately for us, the people, De Sade's ideas and fantasies are for most part unattainable in our modern world, unless maybe in some secluded societies...
*back to women*
I do think women have many secret urges, that they keep to themselves for fear of being discovered and treated wrongly, and being viewed as monsters, or as "witches", as was done in and throughout our history...
Beautiful monstrosities...
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Re: Women and Sade
Sun, February 1, 2004 - 7:11 PM"let them sink and rise in cadence together,let them obey stimuli whereby pleasure is going to stir them It is delicious"
DeSade
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Re: Women and Sade
Sun, February 1, 2004 - 10:55 PMBlack, my intention was to be simplitic and general. Too bad you're so far away I would love to discuss Sade with you in more detail(typing is such a bore).
I agree with everything you say about women, sweet observation, but I guess I can't relate. ;) -
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Sun, February 1, 2004 - 11:54 PMbut I guess I can't relate...about the repression stuff and not living up to potential. I know I'm a bit skittish in my responses.... forgive me. -
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Re: Women and Sade
Mon, February 2, 2004 - 2:28 AMSuzen, typing is definitely not the best way for communication, but I guess it'll do for now...
I am very happy, if you are indeed a completely free person...and fully explored your potential, however,
I cannot say the same thing about myself, nor do I know or met any person of such kind during my lifetime...
Sadly, my ideas of freedom are still remain only in my head and in my feelings and dreams...
I don't know what will befall me in my lifetime, if ever I will be free.
Being free on an inside is only a beginning.
How does a person free oneself from the chains and dictatorship and narrow mind ness of society?
Even Marquis could not succeed at that.
*back to women*
Modern women evolved very far socially, but unfortunally, in a wrong direction...
Putting on a false mask of sobriety and kindness...they are capable of much more than just being a "charitable" figure...
Lady must be powerful, or be a shadow of herself...
To be a victim or a villain...the choice is there.
What makes women powerful?
Her cunning, her imagination, her sensuality...
*to be continued...*
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Re: Women and Sade
Thu, February 5, 2004 - 1:36 PMso how does victimization figure into this "free philosophy". from what ive read (and i have not read everything), it seems like he's saying "take your pleasure, and be damn the ones you hurt" for a masochist, this might be fine, but what of the others? there is a definative line between domination, submission, abuse and victimization. where exactly does DeSade stand on this please, i would like to know. -
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Re: Women and Sade
Thu, February 5, 2004 - 2:15 PMIt's impossible to know what Sade himself did mean with some of his ideas, since now, he's long gone. Only by knowing him personally, I think, it would be easy to know the truth.
Becouse, in his books - De Sade contridicts himself at times, sometimes, what he writes, - even sounds absurd..
General idea is - finding your personal happiness at any cost...
aka - follow your nature, follow who you are...
If you're a victim - be a victim...
If you are a predator - be a predator.
He leaves the choice up to you...
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Re: Women and Sade
Fri, June 25, 2004 - 9:30 PMThere are great distinctions between hedonism and sybarism - one implies self-indulgence at all costs (including the involuntary victimization of others), while the other is about satisfying one's own selfish desires with consent of others. (or without others?)
I am without a doubt self-indulgent, but choose only to play with those who wish to play and know for what they are volunteering.
As a practitioner of the White Tigress philosophy - I am a sexual predator and I own that.
Social scripts, however, are a challenge...and make finding suitable partners (in the sybaristic sense) challenging as well...
Just some thoughts.
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Re: Women and Sade
Thu, February 5, 2004 - 3:08 PMi have no problem being myself, and being true to my nature. finding and understanding my nature was very difficult, especially with all the moral obligations thrust upon us my school, media, parents, ect, but once i found my nature, it was easy to cast aside all the bullshit and just live for myself, by myself, and with myself.
the one rule that i absolutely abide by (actually one of seven i think), is that you shall not violate another persons sanctity without permission.
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Re: Women and Sade
Thu, February 5, 2004 - 7:18 PMI think I pretty much answer this question previously...
But, well, to repeat:
Anyone who wants to be free, will fight for this freedom, and having the will to be free will eventually win.
And the ones who will submit to the dominant force of any kind- deserve it, I think. They don't want to be free...
Freedom don't come easy...
Life is a strugle...
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Re: Women and Sade
Fri, February 27, 2004 - 9:23 PMI agree with your rule when it comes to your actual conduct...
...but I also believe, when it comes to fantasy, ANYTHING is permissable.
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Re: Women and Sade
Wed, March 3, 2004 - 3:16 AMSomeone has read "The Sadeian Woman: An Exercise in Cultural History", by Angela Carter?
I only know "La philosophie dans le boudoir", my favorite, really amazing.
Other approach to Sade is the écrit "Kant con Sade" (Lacan).
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Re: Women and Sade
Thu, May 13, 2004 - 11:07 AMthanks for opening this tribe. I've always been fascinated with Sade, although, having taken up the "victim" role most of my life, I've now turned into the truer nature of myself and have become the dominant feature in my relationship, and living with someone who is also dominant creates a problem, but we are working through it. I refuse to submit anymore to anyone for any reason. One thing we need to remember about Sade is that he got thrown into prison for his ideas and suffered for it for years and years. I've never really seen a film that truly depicts his life, although "Quills" was a wonderful film, not sure that really happened to him in the end. -
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Re: Women and Sade
Thu, May 13, 2004 - 3:29 PMwoman is the most powerful incarnation of the human species. that is why she has been vilified throughout history. the unfortunate truth is that humans are very easy to brainwash, so the mantra of original sin was created to sublimate female power. i know i risk having rotten tomatoes thrown at me, but quite frankly few women historically have been capable of wielding their full power sensibly, so they were rightfully kept ignorant.
of course there is the same proportion of oblivious males as well, and most of them too have been rendered impotent by being kept equally in the dark. it is my belief that only a very few exceptional individuals, male or female, have what it takes to use their full powers in a sane way. unfortuantely sanity rarely makes headlines, but we certainly have been assaulted with examples of the powerful who have gone astray: hitler, saddam, bush, katherine the great, etc.
so how can an individual come into his or her own power? by being intelligent. how does one "become" intelligent? well, i think we all know the answer to that, and it quite simply isn't something that those who don't have it like to contemplate.
and this is: it is a crap shoot- luck of the draw! it's your gene pool, not some pill you can pop. it is a fact that only a small percentage of the general population has a high IQ, and it doesn't matter how much the "experts" try to re-write the tests, only a very few are possessed of "it."
now, of course i do think that the average person can find ways to become empowered, don't get me wrong, but most people are not inately capable of transcending the status quo. it takes a lot of work to become transcendent, whether one is in the top percentile or not.
as far as what women specifically can do to become more empowered, a good place to start is, well, for those who are really curious, email me and i will be happy to share some further resources with you.
many blessings to all...
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Re: Women and Sade
Mon, June 28, 2004 - 2:24 PMI agree it is incredible to see so many women embracing their sensuality and shadow persona. But still on a professional level I get more men in my D-room than women, even though I offer a significant discount to female clients.
And that is possibly where there is still an unbalance.
I think most Pro Dommes would agree with me, that it would be refreshing to see more female subs, masochists, etc coming to see us and attending play parteis in the community. It's always a lot of fun playing with another woman. Men are fun too, but its just a different kind of fun if you get to Top another female.
Good topic ;)
Cheers!
Xeres